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	<title>Comments on: Silver’s Historical Correlation with Gold Suggests A Parabolic Top As High As $714 per Ounce!</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QE1 didn&#039;t work, but added a lot of debt. QE2 won&#039;t work either, as more debt can&#039;t solve the problems of too much debt. All one needs to do is to plot QE1 thru QE10 vs. the DXY (dollar index) to see where this will lead. Of course, QE10 isn&#039;t here yet, but that day will arrive. Considering that nothing was fixed with QE1, you know there will be a QE2 and much more to come.

At some point, all will agree that money printing will continue without limit. The loss of confidence in paper money will accelerate money velocity. The FED says they can drain the system of liquidity if confidence is lost. Really? How? Their portfolio consists of junk. Who will be the buyer? Many even consider the Treasury paper they hold to now be junk. Would you buy paper from a government that is running the printing press?

How long will it take for the dollar to go to zero when confidence is lost? Look at Russia in 1998. All was well in the morning. By that afternoon, it was all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QE1 didn&#8217;t work, but added a lot of debt. QE2 won&#8217;t work either, as more debt can&#8217;t solve the problems of too much debt. All one needs to do is to plot QE1 thru QE10 vs. the DXY (dollar index) to see where this will lead. Of course, QE10 isn&#8217;t here yet, but that day will arrive. Considering that nothing was fixed with QE1, you know there will be a QE2 and much more to come.</p>
<p>At some point, all will agree that money printing will continue without limit. The loss of confidence in paper money will accelerate money velocity. The FED says they can drain the system of liquidity if confidence is lost. Really? How? Their portfolio consists of junk. Who will be the buyer? Many even consider the Treasury paper they hold to now be junk. Would you buy paper from a government that is running the printing press?</p>
<p>How long will it take for the dollar to go to zero when confidence is lost? Look at Russia in 1998. All was well in the morning. By that afternoon, it was all over.</p>
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		<title>By: gary leibowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary leibowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a deflationary depression, which is were i expect we will end up, commodities will underperform cash.  The replacement of assets with debt has created a world wide problem where creditors will become very conservative.  Fear is replacing greed and once that occurs deflation will accelerate.  The normal boom/bust inflation/deflation cycle has been thwarted these last 50 years by the feds micro managemnt of money supply and easy credit.  Compound that with the surge in credit card use and other means of replacing cash with debt and you have a situation where it is impossible to continue down that road.  In fact consumers psychology has already changed.  Saving and drawing down debt.  Not a prescription for inflation.  Job loss will accelerate and inversely wages.

A world wide occurance that will not devalue the U.S. dollar against most currencies.  Money has chased real estate, equities and now gold.  If my theory is correct I believe we have already reached the apex in its price.

The test will be the next equities crash, which should occur withing months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a deflationary depression, which is were i expect we will end up, commodities will underperform cash.  The replacement of assets with debt has created a world wide problem where creditors will become very conservative.  Fear is replacing greed and once that occurs deflation will accelerate.  The normal boom/bust inflation/deflation cycle has been thwarted these last 50 years by the feds micro managemnt of money supply and easy credit.  Compound that with the surge in credit card use and other means of replacing cash with debt and you have a situation where it is impossible to continue down that road.  In fact consumers psychology has already changed.  Saving and drawing down debt.  Not a prescription for inflation.  Job loss will accelerate and inversely wages.</p>
<p>A world wide occurance that will not devalue the U.S. dollar against most currencies.  Money has chased real estate, equities and now gold.  If my theory is correct I believe we have already reached the apex in its price.</p>
<p>The test will be the next equities crash, which should occur withing months.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the current issue of Jesse&#039;s Cafe Americain 

ShadowStats: CPI-Alt Running 4.3%, Gold $2,382, Silver $139 

Something Weimar this way comes?

There is almost no doubt in my mind that we will see these prices for gold and silver. I am just not sure exactly how we will get there, and when. But I expect the unexpected, or at least that which is not expected by the many.

The gold / silver ratio between those prices is 17, which is close to the historically important ratio of about 16. The legal ratio of gold to silver set in France in 1803 was 15.5, and this was emulated in England and later in the US.

Obviously I am thinking of a return to a world bi-metallic &#039;weak standard&#039; through the inclusion of both gold and silver in the basket of currencies that will be replacing the dollar as a unit of value in international trade. There are also several movements in the developing world to adopt silver for domestic use as a store of value. I think they will gain some traction as the currency wars intensify.

The current ratio is about 67. I cannot help but feel that silver is going to be simply amazing when its time comes, in part due to the decades of price suppression by US banking institutions.

According to the latest report from Shadowstats:

Alternative Consumer Inflation Measures

&quot;Adjusted to pre-Clinton (1990) methodology, annual CPI inflation was roughly 4.3% in June 2010, versus 5.4% in May, while the SGS-Alternate Consumer Inflation Measure, which reverses gimmicked changes to official CPI reporting methodologies back to 1980, was about 8.4% (8.37% for those using the extra digit) in June, versus 9.2% in May.

The SGS-Alternate Consumer Inflation Measure adjusts on an additive basis for the cumulative impact on the annual inflation rate of various methodological changes made by the BLS. Over the decades, the BLS has altered the meaning of the CPI from being a measure of the cost of living needed to maintain a constant standard of living, to something that no longer reflects the constant-standard-of-living concept. Roughly five percentage points of the additive SGS adjustment reflect the BLS’s formal estimate of the impact of methodological changes; roughly two percentage points reflect changes by the BLS, where SGS has estimated the impact not otherwise published by the BLS.

Gold and Silver Highs

Adjusted for CPI-U/SGS Inflation. Despite another recent all-time high in the price of gold in the current cycle, gold and silver prices have yet to approach their historic high prices, adjusted for inflation. Even with the June 28th historic high gold price of $1,261.00 per troy ounce, the earlier all-time high of $850.00 (London afternoon fix, per Kitco.com) of January 21, 1980 has not been breached in terms of inflation-adjusted dollars. Based on inflation through June 2010, the 1980 gold price peak would be $2,382 per troy ounce, based on not-seasonally-adjusted-CPI-U-adjusted dollars, and would be $7,689 per troy ounce in terms of SGS-Alternate-CPI-adjusted dollars.

In like manner, the all-time high price for silver in January 1980 of $49.45 per troy ounce (London afternoon fix, per silverinstitute.org) has not been hit since, including in terms of inflation-adjusted dollars. Based on inflation through June 2010, the 1980 silver price peak would be $139 per troy ounce, based on not-seasonally-adjusted-CPI-U-adjusted dollars, and would be $447 per troy ounce in terms of SGS-Alternate-CPI-adjusted dollars.

As shown on page 22 in the Hyperinflation report, over the decades, the price of gold has more than compensated for the loss of the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar as reflected by CPI-U inflation, while it has effectively fully compensated for the loss of purchasing power of the U.S. dollar based on the SGS-Alternate CPI.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the current issue of Jesse&#8217;s Cafe Americain </p>
<p>ShadowStats: CPI-Alt Running 4.3%, Gold $2,382, Silver $139 </p>
<p>Something Weimar this way comes?</p>
<p>There is almost no doubt in my mind that we will see these prices for gold and silver. I am just not sure exactly how we will get there, and when. But I expect the unexpected, or at least that which is not expected by the many.</p>
<p>The gold / silver ratio between those prices is 17, which is close to the historically important ratio of about 16. The legal ratio of gold to silver set in France in 1803 was 15.5, and this was emulated in England and later in the US.</p>
<p>Obviously I am thinking of a return to a world bi-metallic &#8216;weak standard&#8217; through the inclusion of both gold and silver in the basket of currencies that will be replacing the dollar as a unit of value in international trade. There are also several movements in the developing world to adopt silver for domestic use as a store of value. I think they will gain some traction as the currency wars intensify.</p>
<p>The current ratio is about 67. I cannot help but feel that silver is going to be simply amazing when its time comes, in part due to the decades of price suppression by US banking institutions.</p>
<p>According to the latest report from Shadowstats:</p>
<p>Alternative Consumer Inflation Measures</p>
<p>&#8220;Adjusted to pre-Clinton (1990) methodology, annual CPI inflation was roughly 4.3% in June 2010, versus 5.4% in May, while the SGS-Alternate Consumer Inflation Measure, which reverses gimmicked changes to official CPI reporting methodologies back to 1980, was about 8.4% (8.37% for those using the extra digit) in June, versus 9.2% in May.</p>
<p>The SGS-Alternate Consumer Inflation Measure adjusts on an additive basis for the cumulative impact on the annual inflation rate of various methodological changes made by the BLS. Over the decades, the BLS has altered the meaning of the CPI from being a measure of the cost of living needed to maintain a constant standard of living, to something that no longer reflects the constant-standard-of-living concept. Roughly five percentage points of the additive SGS adjustment reflect the BLS’s formal estimate of the impact of methodological changes; roughly two percentage points reflect changes by the BLS, where SGS has estimated the impact not otherwise published by the BLS.</p>
<p>Gold and Silver Highs</p>
<p>Adjusted for CPI-U/SGS Inflation. Despite another recent all-time high in the price of gold in the current cycle, gold and silver prices have yet to approach their historic high prices, adjusted for inflation. Even with the June 28th historic high gold price of $1,261.00 per troy ounce, the earlier all-time high of $850.00 (London afternoon fix, per Kitco.com) of January 21, 1980 has not been breached in terms of inflation-adjusted dollars. Based on inflation through June 2010, the 1980 gold price peak would be $2,382 per troy ounce, based on not-seasonally-adjusted-CPI-U-adjusted dollars, and would be $7,689 per troy ounce in terms of SGS-Alternate-CPI-adjusted dollars.</p>
<p>In like manner, the all-time high price for silver in January 1980 of $49.45 per troy ounce (London afternoon fix, per silverinstitute.org) has not been hit since, including in terms of inflation-adjusted dollars. Based on inflation through June 2010, the 1980 silver price peak would be $139 per troy ounce, based on not-seasonally-adjusted-CPI-U-adjusted dollars, and would be $447 per troy ounce in terms of SGS-Alternate-CPI-adjusted dollars.</p>
<p>As shown on page 22 in the Hyperinflation report, over the decades, the price of gold has more than compensated for the loss of the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar as reflected by CPI-U inflation, while it has effectively fully compensated for the loss of purchasing power of the U.S. dollar based on the SGS-Alternate CPI.&#8221;</p>
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